Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:36 pm
by Just A Clay Pot
Reports are available that gold hit an all-time record of $1,099/ounce today when India's central bank bought 200 tons of gold (about 8% of the world supply.)  The purchase was made to exchange dollars for gold.  Also, the Indian Finance Minister gave warning that the economies of the U.S. and Europe had "collapsed."

OK, I missed the expectation that gold would hit $1,100/ounce by the end of October by...one dollar and four days.

However, I had expected the Dollar Index, if left alone, to be in the 72.00-74.00 range by October 31st.  It hit the low (for now) of 74.972 on October 21st.  But, we can rest assured that that index is being influenced, because historically, when gold goes up, the dollar goes down (not always, but a definate trend.)

Again, a Monopoly moment.  What do you do when you're playing a game of Monopoly and your opponent(s) have most of the property?

You pay, and pay and pay.  And, what is the only thing you can buy?

Time.

You go on playing with the hope that some random event (Chance or Community Chest) will bring you some cash.  Or, you hope that one of the other players gets in serious trouble, so that it will reduce your rent obligations as the game continues.

Well, back to real world...

The U.S. has virtually no hope of creating a cash flow that will slow down the coming hard collapse.

But, they can play for time, and they can hope to influence other players.  And, they could try to force the situations of other players.

For time:  since we made it through the elections, we can expect the "death by a throusand papercuts."  The spin of the recovered economy will be at 150%.  They have to--HAVE TO--get people out and spending money.  The more people hold on to their cash, the more the economic river dries up.  Money is made by the powerbrokers not by accumulation, but by fees and interest from exchanges.  They can only prop things up as long as the holiday season sales will allow.  I am honestly expecting mid-January to be....painful...for layoffs, firings and bankruptcies.  And, I expect this to only get worse as the year progresses.

For influence:  Obama is courting everything Islamic.  Offering aid, offering praise...if you are Islamic, you are HIS #1 friend.  Meanwhile, Israel gets the short end of the stick.  Soviet Georgia is left hanging in the wind.  India has been mistreated by the U.S. time and time again.  These actions are not without gains for the U.S.  But, at what cost?

For force:  the U.S. still, for the time being, has a mighty military.  But, as the dollar continues to lose power, eventually that military will be completely unable to fulfill it's mission.  So, the potential for use to cause a more "profitable" situation on the world stage is rising.  A military is a resource only as long as it has the people and materials to carry out warfare.  So, an attack on Iran--that would make the Saudis happy.  Or, just pull back from Taiwan, and let China retake the country.  That would make China very, very happy with us.

Use it or lose it.  Both would make Obama quite pleased.

Be watchful, brothers and sisters.  I know, the "Papercut War" can try anyone's patience.  But, we have potentially a LOT more papercuts to endure.  And, now, more than ever, the world stands on the edge of total chaos.

When the dark grows darkest, the Light shines brightest!  Remember our Savior's words.

"John 9:5" says:
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.


"John 8:12" says:
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.


"Matt 5:14" says:
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.


:hug:

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:42 pm
by Tom67X
Very well stated.  Great analogies.  Stand and know.

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:12 pm
by cowgirl4christ
Just A Clay Pot wrote:Again, a Monopoly moment.  What do you do when you're playing a game of Monopoly and your opponent(s) have most of the property?


OK, since you're asking.....

IF (and that's a HUGE IF) I even make it to that point, I'd quit or "accidentally" turnover the table and say "Oops!  I didn't mean to ruin the whole game!  REALLY!  Dog gone it!  I guess the game is over...."

But, HA!  Yeah!  Imagine ME even PLAYING Monopoly in the first place.  I start counting the flies on the wall within 5 minutes....   :roflmbo:

Sorry, Stu.  I'll have a more "serious" response to your wonderful post when I can think about it.  At least, I'm SURE it's wonderful.  I got stuck at the "Monopoly" part.....

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:13 pm
by cowgirl4christ
Might I add that my husband and I used to play RISK with my BIL/SIL.  I'd line my armies up so that I'd get killed quickly and I wouldn't have to play anymore!

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:20 pm
by jessicas0778
Bravo Stu.  The truth very well stated.

And Linda... I love you!  :ahaha:  You are so funny.  :hug:

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:23 pm
by cowgirl4christ
India has been mistreated by the U.S. time and time again.


What affect does that have on this whole India dumping dollars for gold, by chance?  India is making some pretty dire accusations today saying that the US and European economies have collapsed.  What's up with that?

Now, I TOTALLY know I'm a complete economic MORON, (for some reason Bob, Jenn, and Jen, and even Molly think I'm brilliant).... but, the law of economics tells me that if there's too much of something, the price goes way down.  If there's too little of something, the price goes up.  Obviously, gold's prices are going up.  Sooooooooo, doesn't that totally drag down the value of a dollar?  Why didn't that "Indian exchange" KILL the dollar?

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:11 pm
by Just A Clay Pot
I believe that, after years of strongarm policies towards India, they (India) have no longer any reason to even deal with us, much less be an ally.

As for why the dollar hasn't dropped like a lead balloon, especially today, one must imagine that either...
                           a)  The dollars behind the gold purchase haven't entered the general marketplace, and are still "insulated" by being held by the seller, or
                           b)  The seller was, either directly or indirectly, an agent of the U.S. Government; therefore the dollars "bypassed" the general marketplace.

There are other possibilities, but these two are where I'd be watching.  Follow the money.
                                                           :clues:

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:55 pm
by Tom67X
It may simply be that India is waking to the realization that we are not who we used to be.  We are on our way down, they realize it and are making strategic moves.

Example:  if you are in a total collapse situation and you happen to have some smarts about you, you are going to strategize very quickly how you are going to make your next moves.  You can hunt, fish, make shelter, procure water, make simple repairs, etc.  But, you will need others who specialize in other things.  Thinking strictly out of logic and reason- not emotion- you are not going to want to carry dead weight- the old, the infirm, the weak, etc.  You'll need women, and you'll need some good strong kids.  This is not a time to get sentimental.

Now that is pretty extreme, but this may just be how India- and others like China- are looking at us.  We are weakened, infirm, disjointed, collapsing, and wearing out some of our usefulness going forward.  I would start shopping for other friends and means, if I were to think on a secular level.

Our comeuppance approaches... :2cent:

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:10 am
by chukars
Very well said Stu, and i'm afraid this time element will wear down many people as we go further into the illusion of things getting better. There are many still crying wolf, but few are listening anymore. People genuinely look at the short term picture, and do not want to hear the negative. I was discussing this today, and the general consensus is...We are the greatest nation on the planet, and we will prevail like we always have. We did it in the great depression, and we'll do it again.

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:08 am
by kentuckygirl
What really makes me mad is how Christmas becomes so important suddenly, when Wall Street is thinking about PROFITS. Christmas means spending money to them, and that's all. I think that we will definitely hear lies about the economy coming back, to psych people into thinking it's okay to spend big time for Christmas. It will be a fraud too. I agree that January will be bad because the truth about the economy can't be hidden under the HOLIDAY season.

If India is selling out their dollars for gold, then when is China going to do this? Would we know if China is trading their dollars for gold or would this be something done under the table. Could the Chinese actually unload their US DEBT without destroying the US dollar first because if they did that, then they would lose too. How can we know what the Chinese are up to?

Does China have a stock market like America? I see scary times ahead.

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:01 am
by cowgirl4christ
Just A Clay Pot wrote:I believe that, after years of strongarm policies towards India, they (India) have no longer any reason to even deal with us, much less be an ally.

As for why the dollar hasn't dropped like a lead balloon, especially today, one must imagine that either...
                           a)  The dollars behind the gold purchase haven't entered the general marketplace, and are still "insulated" by being held by the seller, or
                           b)  The seller was, either directly or indirectly, an agent of the U.S. Government; therefore the dollars "bypassed" the general marketplace.

There are other possibilities, but these two are where I'd be watching.  Follow the money.
                                                           :clues:


If it's "b", then they just scratch it off the paper, right?  They can make money "appear" and they can make money "disappear?"

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:04 pm
by Just A Clay Pot
Yep.

I was flipping through the news channels this morning.  The spin is in full swing on CNN.  The only thing missing was pompoms.  If one was to believe the two minutes I watched the celebration, then we are all completely wrong.  The economy isn't just turning around--it is fully recovered, profits are just about to skyrocket, unemployment is going away, with jobs for everybody in just a month--maybe two at most.  And, free healthcare for the masses--we'll show those dirty doctors, nurses and insurance companies how worthless they are to healthcare. :yucky:

Of course, there was no mention of the massive gold buy.  None of the "doom and gloom" stuff at all.  Just the message to get out there and enjoy the soon-to-be-delivered wealth and happiness, courtesy of your friendly messiah, Obama... :vomit:

The REALLY frightening thing is...over half the country buys this, unwilling or unable to look at the cold, hard facts.   :frusty:

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:26 pm
by Molly
cowgirl4christ wrote:
India has been mistreated by the U.S. time and time again.


What affect does that have on this whole India dumping dollars for gold, by chance?  India is making some pretty dire accusations today saying that the US and European economies have collapsed.  What's up with that?

Now, I TOTALLY know I'm a complete economic MORON, (for some reason Bob, Jenn, and Jen, and even Molly think I'm brilliant).... but, the law of economics tells me that if there's too much of something, the price goes way down.  If there's too little of something, the price goes up.  Obviously, gold's prices are going up.  Sooooooooo, doesn't that totally drag down the value of a dollar?  Why didn't that "Indian exchange" KILL the dollar?


Cow, I don't understand all of this gold/dollar/market pricing either and look forward to Hal and Clay to learn more about it.

Clay, by using that Monopoly analogy some of this is starting to make sense.  Thank you.  You should be a teacher.

But Cow, I'm with you on Monopoly and Risk.  I played Risk twice and wanted to go flying out of the room after what seemed like about the 15th hour!

Is this kind of how you felt?

                   
   

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:46 pm
by Tammy
:ahaha: Molly and Cow my son loves to play risk.  He had the guys over this summer and they stayed up all night playing it.  I feel the some way you all do hate the game.

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:31 pm
by JenGC
Molly wrote:
Cow, I don't understand all of this gold/dollar/market pricing either and look forward to Hal and Clay to learn more about it.

Clay, by using that Monopoly analogy some of this is starting to make sense.  Thank you.  You should be a teacher.

But Cow, I'm with you on Monopoly and Risk.  I played Risk twice and wanted to go flying out of the room after what seemed like about the 15th hour!

Is this kind of how you felt?


:roflmbo: Cow :pound:

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:26 pm
by Jennifleur
Moo?

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:38 pm
by Just A Clay Pot
OK, this is totally off topic, so forgive me, but...

How would you like to have a Monopoly strategy that, unless your kids/spouse/friends are VERY watchful, will result in winning most of the time?  You can spring this on them and BOOM!  :heh:

It is called the "Poor Man's Strategy."  Me and Nancy play a lot on Pogo, so I can't use it as often.  But, when I get it, she'll tell ya how well it works.

From start of game, aim for getting the light blues.  Make any necessary offers or trades, up to say 2-3X their purchase cost.  Yes, be willing to trade Boardwalk for Oriental!  Get the light blues at any cost!

Once you have that monopoly, sell or trade anything or everything needed to go straight to hotels.  Get the hotels on them ASAP.

Now, sit back and win.   :thumbup:

You see, statistically, the light blues get landed on more than most other colors.  They are cheap to build up, being on the low cost side of the board.  They are right out of the gate after anyone gets to "Go to GO."  They also are in the path for other cards like "Ride the Reading" and "Advance to Boardwalk".

Between the higher landing rate, and the rental of your hotels at $450/$600 (remember, you are going for hotels in the first few rounds of the game, while others are dreaming of long term goals), you can bleed the others dry over time.  Of course, after the hotels are built, use future rent money that you receive to buy every property you can grab.  But, don't rush into bad deals...you have time, because you'll have nice rents coming to ya.

Of course, the dice can make or break any strategy.  But, on an average day, this will win about 4 out or 5 times, usualy in under 20 rounds.

Quick and deadly Monopoly.  :heh:

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:30 pm
by JenGC
Just A Clay Pot wrote:OK, this is totally off topic, so forgive me, but...

How would you like to have a Monopoly strategy that, unless your kids/spouse/friends are VERY watchful, will result in winning most of the time?  You can spring this on them and BOOM!  :heh:

It is called the "Poor Man's Strategy."  Me and Nancy play a lot on Pogo, so I can't use it as often.  But, when I get it, she'll tell ya how well it works.

From start of game, aim for getting the light blues.  Make any necessary offers or trades, up to say 2-3X their purchase cost.  Yes, be willing to trade Boardwalk for Oriental!  Get the light blues at any cost!

Once you have that monopoly, sell or trade anything or everything needed to go straight to hotels.  Get the hotels on them ASAP.

Now, sit back and win.   :thumbup:

You see, statistically, the light blues get landed on more than most other colors.  They are cheap to build up, being on the low cost side of the board.  They are right out of the gate after anyone gets to "Go to GO."  They also are in the path for other cards like "Ride the Reading" and "Advance to Boardwalk".

Between the higher landing rate, and the rental of your hotels at $450/$600 (remember, you are going for hotels in the first few rounds of the game, while others are dreaming of long term goals), you can bleed the others dry over time.  Of course, after the hotels are built, use future rent money that you receive to buy every property you can grab.  But, don't rush into bad deals...you have time, because you'll have nice rents coming to ya.

Of course, the dice can make or break any strategy.  But, on an average day, this will win about 4 out or 5 times, usualy in under 20 rounds.

Quick and deadly Monopoly.  :heh:

:roflmbo:  So THAT'S why everyone is buying in the poor district....hmmmmm

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:29 pm
by cowgirl4christ
Just A Clay Pot wrote:OK, this is totally off topic, so forgive me, but...

How would you like to have a Monopoly strategy that, unless your kids/spouse/friends are VERY watchful, will result in winning most of the time?  You can spring this on them and BOOM!  :heh:

It is called the "Poor Man's Strategy."  Me and Nancy play a lot on Pogo, so I can't use it as often.  But, when I get it, she'll tell ya how well it works.

From start of game, aim for getting the light blues.  Make any necessary offers or trades, up to say 2-3X their purchase cost.  Yes, be willing to trade Boardwalk for Oriental!  Get the light blues at any cost!

Once you have that monopoly, sell or trade anything or everything needed to go straight to hotels.  Get the hotels on them ASAP.

Now, sit back and win.   :thumbup:

Stu, Monopoly is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
BO-RING!

If it don't bling, sing, or fling, I loose interest.....DRAT that ADD!

You see, statistically, the light blues get landed on more than most other colors.  They are cheap to build up, being on the low cost side of the board.  They are right out of the gate after anyone gets to "Go to GO."  They also are in the path for other cards like "Ride the Reading" and "Advance to Boardwalk".

Between the higher landing rate, and the rental of your hotels at $450/$600 (remember, you are going for hotels in the first few rounds of the game, while others are dreaming of long term goals), you can bleed the others dry over time.  Of course, after the hotels are built, use future rent money that you receive to buy every property you can grab.  But, don't rush into bad deals...you have time, because you'll have nice rents coming to ya.

Of course, the dice can make or break any strategy.  But, on an average day, this will win about 4 out or 5 times, usualy in under 20 rounds.

Quick and deadly Monopoly.  :heh:

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:24 pm
by Hal4511
Commodity Market: Gold Price - Oil Prices - Metals Futures

COMEX Gold        1095.70        unch         unch        1100.00 / 1087.50        2009-11-06 15:12:26-0500

NYMEX Natural Gas        4.607        0.0120          0.2612%        4.655 / 4.555        2009-11-06 15:12:20-0500

COMEX Copper        2.947        0.0055          -0.1863%        3.0045 / 2.925        2009-11-06 15:11:14-0500

NYMEX RBOB Gasoline        1.923        0.0647          -3.2550%        1.94 / 1.908        2009-11-06 15:11:59-0500

COMEX Silver        17.355        0.0200          -0.1151%        17.63 / 17.27        2009-11-06 15:12:25-0500

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:21 pm
by Hal4511
COMEX Gold        1097.50        1.8000          0.1643%        1101.90 / 1086.50        2009-11-06 17:20:58-0500

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:17 pm
by Callie
IMF sells 200 tonnes of gold to India worth $6.7 billion
AFP 3 November 2009, 07:07am IST

WASHINGTON: The International Monetary Fund announced on Monday the sale of 200 tonnes of gold worth 6.7 billion dollars to India's central bank
to shore up IMF finances.
The sale to India was nearly half the amount that the Fund has targeted for sale over the coming years.

The IMF said the transaction, which was in the process of being settled, involved daily sales that were phased over a two-week period during October 19-30.

Each daily sale was conducted at a price set on the basis of market prices prevailing that day, it said, in accordance with the institution's founding document.

"I strongly welcome this transaction with the Reserve Bank of India," Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the IMF managing director, said in a statement.

"This transaction is an important step toward achieving the objectives of the IMF's limited gold sales program, which are to help put the fund's finances on a sound long-term footing and enable us to step up much-needed concessional lending to the poorest countries."

The Washington-based IMF, which currently holds 3,217 tonnes of gold, is the third-largest official holder of the precious metal after the United States and Germany.

full article at link below

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:22 pm
by Just A Clay Pot
There ya go.

IMF sells gold, takes dollars.

Dollars are held by IMF, so as to not devalue dollar.

Gold goes up, dollar remains mostly constant (due to sales dollars being taken out of the market for the time being.)

IMF manipulates values of both.

Good find, Callie!

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:11 am
by chukars
5,490 views  :wow:

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:27 am
by chukars
Stu, You have a larger audience than Jim Sinclair.  :smileagree:

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:15 pm
by Jennifleur
chukars wrote:Stu, You have a larger audience than Jim Sinclair.  :smileagree:


He's one of our resident geniuses.  It's a good thing we have Stu, because goodness knows most of us couldn't figure out what to do with this board without him.  He does most of the work.  That's why he gets the big paycheck with all those zeroes on it.   :ahaha:

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:47 pm
by jessicas0778
Jennifleur wrote:
chukars wrote:Stu, You have a larger audience than Jim Sinclair.  :smileagree:


He's one of our resident geniuses.  It's a good thing we have Stu, because goodness knows most of us couldn't figure out what to do with this board without him.  He does most of the work.  That's why he gets the big paycheck with all those zeroes on it.   :ahaha:


Yep, we can't afford gold around here... so he's getting all the soon to be worthless dollars!  :roflmbo:

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:01 pm
by Just A Clay Pot
Seeing the patterns behind the gold activity and the economic response is just the fluff that we all are having to live through.  If we can help folks prepare for the storm ahead, woot!

But, most important is the fact that the Kingdom of Jesus Christ is fast approaching.  Acceptance of Jesus as Son of God, perfect sacrifice for the sin of His people, risen from the dead and now alive and at the right hand of our Father--soon to return and establish His rule with His people--now, that's gold that lasts for eternity!  

So, buy gold now if you can, or silver if you can't afford gold, to weather the near-term disruptions ahead.  Keep a few weeks of preserved food on hand, and a water filtration device along with some stored water, to cover any supply problems that may occur.  But, most important of all, surrender to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, and the complete forgiveness of sin to be found in Him.  That will provide security of salvation and a calming peace in knowing that all the troubles ahead are just a blink of the eye in the big picture.

:thumbup:

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:43 pm
by willow
Just A Clay Pot wrote:Seeing the patterns behind the gold activity and the economic response is just the fluff that we all are having to live through.  If we can help folks prepare for the storm ahead, woot!

But, most important is the fact that the Kingdom of Jesus Christ is fast approaching.  Acceptance of Jesus as Son of God, perfect sacrifice for the sin of His people, risen from the dead and now alive and at the right hand of our Father--soon to return and establish His rule with His people--now, that's gold that lasts for eternity!  

So, buy gold now if you can, or silver if you can't afford gold, to weather the near-term disruptions ahead.  Keep a few weeks of preserved food on hand, and a water filtration device along with some stored water, to cover any supply problems that may occur.  But, most important of all, surrender to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, and the complete forgiveness of sin to be found in Him.  That will provide security of salvation and a calming peace in knowing that all the troubles ahead are just a blink of the eye in the big picture.

:thumbup:


:amen1:  I don't know a thing about "markets" or gold. I do know that I am RESTING in the palm of HIS hand, come what may....

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:49 am
by Hal4511
Precious Metals

COMMODITY                          PRICE     CHANGE    %CHANGE    TIME
==============================    ========    ======    =======    =====
 GOLD 100 OZ FUTR (USD/t oz.)    1107.000    11.300    1.03    08:29
 SILVER FUTURE (USD/t oz.)         17.680     0.305    1.76    08:30

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:34 pm
by Molly
willow wrote:
Just A Clay Pot wrote:Seeing the patterns behind the gold activity and the economic response is just the fluff that we all are having to live through.  If we can help folks prepare for the storm ahead, woot!

But, most important is the fact that the Kingdom of Jesus Christ is fast approaching.  Acceptance of Jesus as Son of God, perfect sacrifice for the sin of His people, risen from the dead and now alive and at the right hand of our Father--soon to return and establish His rule with His people--now, that's gold that lasts for eternity!  

So, buy gold now if you can, or silver if you can't afford gold, to weather the near-term disruptions ahead.  Keep a few weeks of preserved food on hand, and a water filtration device along with some stored water, to cover any supply problems that may occur.  But, most important of all, surrender to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, and the complete forgiveness of sin to be found in Him.  That will provide security of salvation and a calming peace in knowing that all the troubles ahead are just a blink of the eye in the big picture.

:thumbup:


:amen1:  I don't know a thing about "markets" or gold. I do know that I am RESTING in the palm of HIS hand, come what may....


Willow, I LOVE that new avatar!  You're so pretty.

And I'm with you.  I keep thinking about how God provided daily Manna during the Exodus.   I am preparing as best I can on what little money I have.

Currently, I have about 20 gallons of water for washing my hair/bathing and 80 two liter bottles for cooking and drinking.  Then I bought lots of those 10/$10 things like Chinese Ramien noodles, little mac and cheese cups, dried beans and rice where all you need to do is add water.  In case there's no electricity I bought lots of vegetable soup on sale because it may not taste as good cold but it's already cooked. Oh, and canned fruit.

But that's about it (other than a 40 pound bag of dog food) and honestly, there's really not more I can or am planning on doing.  I think everything I bought should get me through 30 days and I seriously doubt God won't take care of me after that,  In fact I feel kind of bad for even doing this much because I wonder if he's saying, " Didn't I tell you to trust ME??????"

Can someone give me a scripture where he tells us to be stocking food so I won't feel so bad?  I just keep thinking of the whole manna story and that went on daily,for years.

Thanks.

PS.  I don't even know where you get powdered milk but it sounds gross.  :faint:

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:54 pm
by JenGC
Molly wrote:
willow wrote:
Just A Clay Pot wrote:Seeing the patterns behind the gold activity and the economic response is just the fluff that we all are having to live through.  If we can help folks prepare for the storm ahead, woot!

But, most important is the fact that the Kingdom of Jesus Christ is fast approaching.  Acceptance of Jesus as Son of God, perfect sacrifice for the sin of His people, risen from the dead and now allive and at the right hand of our Father--soon to return and establish His rule with His people--now, that's gold that lasts for eternity!  

So, buy gold now if you can, or silver if you can't afford gold, to weather the near-term disruptions ahead.  Keep a few weeks of preserved food on hand, and a water filtration device along with some stored water, to cover any supply problems that may occur.  But, most important of all, surrender to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, and the complete forgiveness of sin to be found in Him.  That will provide security of salvation and a calming peace in knowing that all the troubles ahead are just a blink of the eye in the big picture.

:thumbup:


:amen1:  I don't know a thing about "markets" or gold. I do know that I am RESTING in the palm of HIS hand, come what may....


Willow, I LOVE that new avatar!  You're so pretty.

And I'm with you.  I keep thinking about how God provided daily Manna during the Exodus.   I am preparing as best I can on what little money I have.

Currently, I have about 20 gallons of water for washing my hair/bathing and 80 two liter bottles for cooking and drinking.  Then I bought lots of those 10/$10 things like Chinese Ramien noodles, little mac and cheese cups, dried beans and rice where all you need to do is add water.  In case there's no electricity I bought lots of vegetable soup on sale because it may not taste as good cold but it's already cooked. Oh, and canned fruit.

But that's about it (other than a 40 pound bag of dog food) and honestly, there's really not more I can or am planning on doing.  I think everything I bought should get me through 30 days and I seriously doubt God won't take care of me after that,  In fact I feel kind of bad for even doing this much because I wonder if he's saying, " Didn't I tell you to trust ME??????"

Can someone give me a scripture where he tells us to be stocking food so I won't feel so bad?  I just keep thinking of the whole manna story and that went on daily,for years.

Thanks.

PS.  I don't even know where you get powdered milk but it sounds gross.  :faint:

:whisper: God told Joseph to store up enough food for the WORLD for 7 years. He knows that be prepared doesn't mean you don't trust him. It is when you think you have to do it ALL is when you don't trust Him. :whisper:

You can find powdered milk in any of the cooking isles of Walmart, Kroger, any grocery store. While it is kinda yucky to drink by just adding water (but putting chocolate can remedy that) you can put it in things that you bake and you cant taste it. I have powder milk and Nesquick. Just add water to these and you have chocolate milk with many vitamins.

Re: Gold Hits Record Highs, US Economy "Collapsed"

PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:48 pm
by lil ol me
I have been thinking about this thread during my day. I know that the Lord provided Manna for the Israelites in the desert, but something I have been thinking about is that He made them leave their tents to gather the manna. I tend to think that there is a certain amount of effort necessary in certain times.