Would you implant a microchip in your child?

[vincentwansink]

Some people believe children won't be raptured because there is no Biblical precedent of God saving the little children when he casts judgment on a people.  This is one of those questions that haunts many of us I think.  

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A couple of questions here I would like to take a stab at. The first one, would I implant a microchip in my child? My answer to that is no. I was born with a freedom to come and go as I please while not having to worry if I was being watched by my parents or anyone else. I did a lot of things they would not have approved of. I had my first cigarette at six and was pretty much a drunk by sixteen. Life was very non robotic. We did things at will and enjoyed every minute of it. When my parents tried to intervene it would only cause them grief. I was too numb to feel anything. Anyway, without getting too much into it, my parents knowing of my activities did nothing to change my course. From my experience I do not see a microchip as being beneficial for a child or anyone else. More importantly I would want my children to have the same freedoms that I had growing up even if it means getting into trouble. What fun would it be being a kid if you couldn't commit murder and get away with it?

I think that I should also state here that I do not believe that a microchip is the mark of the beast. The reason why I do not believe that it is the mark is obvious. It is not a mark, let alone the mark of the beast. I do believe it's an evolutionary step towards it, just like the credit card. I take the bible literally here and I believe that the mark will be a visible physical mark, much like a tattoo. It will have a meaning behind it, something that cannot be accomplished by implanting a microchip. It will let allow anyone looking at you know that you belong. My best guess right now is that this mark will be a picture of the symbol that the one world government will adopt. Perhaps its flag or some other symbol it adopts, maybe even a picture of the Antichrist. I think it will be small, probably dime sized. It will be offered but not forced and only after the church is removed.

As for the other question. What will happen to the children during the tribulation? Don't let the bible scholars or any other modern day Pharisee deceive you. Children do not come with an "auto-save feature". There is no age of accountability. If this were so then Christian parents would do well by sacrificing their children before they reach that age, thereby securing their eternal salvation. Not a bad little gift for juniors last birthday. The reality is that God doesn't work that way. When you die your spirit goes back to the Lord, regardless of what age you are. There is nowhere else to go. It's one side of the gulf or the other, no middle ground. The spirit of a child does not return to the Lord in child form but in the exact same way it left God's presence when you were conceived. God knew what you were like before you were even born. God can love or hate a child even before it comes out of the womb. He does not love every child. What happened to the children of Sodom and Gomorrah? Did He take them out with Lot before He poured fire down on them? What happened to the children of Noah's day? Did He squeeze them in kiddie land section of the ark? When He told the Isrealites to conquer a city and spare no one did He say except the children? The same fate awaits the children of the tribulation hour. Imagine a Heaven where millions or billions of children's spirits are present that hate God and His ways. What kind of Paradise would that be?

[kentuckygirl]

A couple of questions here I would like to take a stab at. The first one, would I implant a microchip in my child? My answer to that is no. I was born with a freedom to come and go as I please while not having to worry if I was being watched by my parents or anyone else. I did a lot of things they would not have approved of. I had my first cigarette at six and was pretty much a drunk by sixteen. Life was very non robotic. We did things at will and enjoyed every minute of it. When my parents tried to intervene it would only cause them grief. I was too numb to feel anything. Anyway, without getting too much into it, my parents knowing of my activities did nothing to change my course. From my experience I do not see a microchip as being beneficial for a child or anyone else. More importantly I would want my children to have the same freedoms that I had growing up even if it means getting into trouble. What fun would it be being a kid if you couldn't commit murder and get away with it?

I think that I should also state here that I do not believe that a microchip is the mark of the beast. The reason why I do not believe that it is the mark is obvious. It is not a mark, let alone the mark of the beast. I do believe it's an evolutionary step towards it, just like the credit card. I take the bible literally here and I believe that the mark will be a visible physical mark, much like a tattoo. It will have a meaning behind it, something that cannot be accomplished by implanting a microchip. It will let allow anyone looking at you know that you belong. My best guess right now is that this mark will be a picture of the symbol that the one world government will adopt. Perhaps its flag or some other symbol it adopts, maybe even a picture of the Antichrist. I think it will be small, probably dime sized. It will be offered but not forced and only after the church is removed.

As for the other question. What will happen to the children during the tribulation? Don't let the bible scholars or any other modern day Pharisee deceive you. Children do not come with an "auto-save feature". There is no age of accountability. If this were so then Christian parents would do well by sacrificing their children before they reach that age, thereby securing their eternal salvation. Not a bad little gift for juniors last birthday. The reality is that God doesn't work that way. When you die your spirit goes back to the Lord, regardless of what age you are. There is nowhere else to go. It's one side of the gulf or the other, no middle ground. The spirit of a child does not return to the Lord in child form but in the exact same way it left God's presence when you were conceived. God knew what you were like before you were even born. God can love or hate a child even before it comes out of the womb. He does not love every child. What happened to the children of Sodom and Gomorrah? Did He take them out with Lot before He poured fire down on them? What happened to the children of Noah's day? Did He squeeze them in kiddie land section of the ark? When He told the Isrealites to conquer a city and spare no one did He say except the children? The same fate awaits the children of the tribulation hour. Imagine a Heaven where millions or billions of children's spirits are present that hate God and His ways. What kind of Paradise would that be?

First...no I would not microchip my kid because I heard these can cause cancer. I didn't even want to microchip my cat, but he came that way, and the Vets are afraid to remove it now.

I agree with much you say here, like the Mark of the Beast not necessarily being a microchip. I see normal people (yeah..what is normal in this day and age)..that have tattoos because it's a fashion trend. I don't think a lot of people would really mind having some kind of ID guaranteed tattoo on their bodies now..

And then what you said about children and an 'auto save feature'...   well there is this verse in the Bible the indicates there will be children in the 7 year Tribulation. I have underlined the interesting verse below.  Personally speaking, my kids have played with some mean kids who KNEW they were doing wrong at the tender age of 6 years old!

Luke 21:22-24 (New King James Version)
22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

[vincentwansink]

Equation 7, first of all, your comment about committing murder and getting away with it freaked me out a bit.

Secondly, I agree that kids are not automatically saved.   Kg, that verse you posted pretty much proves that point.  However, I disagree with your statement that God does not love every child.  I think he does love every child, and adult. (Romans 5:8) He loves us all, but that doesn't mean he will save us all.  I believe he hurts every time anyone is lost.

As for the mark, on the one hand, I too have my doubts that a micro-chip alone would be the mark, but on the other hand, I can't imagine a more effective way of controlling the population and tracking those who have not pledged allegiance.  Perhaps the chip itself is not the mark, but at a certain point you will have to pledge allegiance for certain features of the chip to be enabled, like the ability to use it for financial transactions.  So that way, the "fully enabled" chip becomes the mark or the proof that you have sworn your allegiance to the a/c.  That to me seems the most likely scenario.

There has to be some kind of proclamation of allegiance tied to it.  I don't believe you can be condemned to hell for implanting a micro-chip if the purpose of the chip is to keep track of your kids, without any tie whatsoever to your choice between good and evil.

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Vince,

I apologize if I freaked you out. What I said about that was only a figure of speech. I didn't think anyone would take it literally. So let me just say in plain English what I meant. We got away with many things as kids that we would not have gotten away with as adults. I hope that clears it up for you.

I really don't know how you see God in your mind but I don't think we see Him the same way. Romans 9 says this:

11Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God's purpose in election might stand: 12not by works but by him who calls—she was told, "The older will serve the younger." 13Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." 14What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." 16It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.

It's self explanatory. Two brothers were in the womb. God loved one and hated the other. So when someone comes to me and says "God is love or God loves everybody" I say think what you wanna think. It is a difficult statement to accept but I accept it because God is right in everything He does. He chooses who He loves and who He hates, who He will have mercy on and who He won't and I have no authority to question Him. If it's difficult for you to accept then that is fine and I do understand. This is only one example. God does not look at the size, shape, age or any physical attribute of a person. He looks at the spirit within the person. We don't have that ability. We can only guess what a person is like by looking at their acts.

Now they have developed an ink that can be applied to the outside of the skin, very similar to a tattoo, which can relay the same information to the scanner that a microchip can. I did not mention it earlier because I can't remember where I read it. This technology I believe will be the final mark. People are reluctant to place something in their bodies which they cannot see but a little smudge of ink on top does not seem as sinister.

[vincentwansink]

I assumed it was a manner of speaking, but it wasn't clear so it freaked me out a bit.     Anyway, I know what you mean.  No worries.

About that hate thing, the truth is, I have never really thought about it much, but now that you've got me looking into it there are several other passages which clearly show that God does hate some people or at least certain types of people.  And as I look at these, I realize that I have seen these before, but just never really gave them much thought.

Leviticus 20:23
And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.

Psalm 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Psalm 11:5
The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Proverbs 6:16, 19
These six things doth the LORD hate ... A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Hosea 9:15
I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings.

[kentuckygirl]

Vincent, I didn't say the part highlighted in red:

Secondly, I agree that kids are not automatically saved.   Kg, that verse you posted pretty much proves that point.  However, I disagree with your statement that God does not love every child. I think he does love every child, and adult. (Romans 5:8) He loves us all, but that doesn't mean he will save us all.  I believe he hurts every time anyone is lost.

I believe He loves us all and that's why He sent His Son to die for us. What I was saying is that the Bible indicates babies will be born during the Tribulation which will be a bad thing for those people.

[childoftheKing]

It's self explanatory. Two brothers were in the womb. God loved one and hated the other.

The verses that were quoted from Romans 9 do not say that God hated one and loved the other.  Because we know the character of God, we know that this cannot be true. What we, as people, are unable to internalize is that God knows everything.  As David said in Psalm 139, God knows all about us even before we made our entrance into this world.  He already knew which hearts would receive Him. God's purposes have been accomplished through people, not because He hated them, but because He knew them so well!  John 3:16 so clearly states that "God so loved the world..."  It does not say that He only loves a portion of the world.  I believe we must never remove our focus about the Truth of God and His Character as revealed in His world.  He IS a loving God Whose utmost desire would be for the entire world to receive Him.  Why else would He go to such great extremes to redeem us?  I say, "Hallelujah, what an awesome God!"

[vincentwansink]

Vincent, I didn't say the part highlighted in red:

Secondly, I agree that kids are not automatically saved.   Kg, that verse you posted pretty much proves that point.  However, I disagree with your statement that God does not love every child. I think he does love every child, and adult. (Romans 5:8) He loves us all, but that doesn't mean he will save us all.  I believe he hurts every time anyone is lost.

I believe He loves us all and that's why He sent His Son to die for us. What I was saying is that the Bible indicates babies will be born during the Tribulation which will be a bad thing for those people.

I know kg.  My wording was a little unclear, but I was directing that part at Equation 7.

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It's self explanatory. Two brothers were in the womb. God loved one and hated the other.

The verses that were quoted from Romans 9 do not say that God hated one and loved the other.

1. Take your bible back to where you bought it.
2. Demand a refund.
3. Ask for one that does say it.